Resiliency

Episode #57

Resilience is not something we’re born with. Too bad, right? Fortunately, it is something we can learn. Just like a muscle that strengthens with exercise we can flex our resiliency muscle to make it stronger despite what challenges we face. After this past year, we all have the ability to make ourselves more resilient than ever. In this episode we share with you just how to make that happen.


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Ashley
You’re listening to the rise up and shine podcast with Claudine and Ashley as an empty nester and a mom with young kids, we have both shared very similar and very real struggles. From chaos to coaches, we now help other women live an authentic and meaningful life. So tune in weekly for girl talk and tips on how you too can rise up and let your light shine bright. This is the rise up and shine podcast.

Claudine
Welcome back lovely listeners. Today we are talking about resilience in what better way to end 2020 than talking about something we’ve all had to dig deep and find within ourselves resilience. Webster defines resilience as an ability to recover from or adjust easily to misfortune or change. And I’m telling you after the year, we’ve had, we’ve all had to find some semblance of resilience in our lives, whether you’re really great at this and you have a strong resilient muscle, or you’re just hanging on by a thread of resilience. We’ve all really had to dig deep this year and figure this out, because we have had change and misfortune like no other years, certainly nothing I’ve ever experienced in my, you know, five and a half decades on this planet and Ashley, you are many fewer years on this earth. I know it’s been a year.

Ashley
Two and a half decades, no doubt

Claudine
Close but you know, I there’s a quote from Louisa May Alcott that says I’m not afraid of storms for I am learning how to sail my ship. And that’s, you know, another thing why we’re here why we’re up at rise up in shine is really helping other women learn how to sail their ships, because the truth of it is there are going to be storms in this life. Pure and simple. There are sunny days, and there are stormy days. And the best we can do is learn how to sail our ship to really rise up and shine in this life and live life abundantly like Jesus came to give us. So Ashley, why don’t you share a little bit about this year and how your resilience muscle is going?

Ashley
Hmm. Well, first off, I was pretty sure I heard someone’s bubble burst there will be storms. Um, I I think sometimes we can tend to think life should be pretty smooth, or we at least want it to be pretty smooth. Right? It’s like that’s our goal, our goal in life is have have a smooth sailing ship. Right? I think I really think that we believe that and for whatever reason, whatever we were told whatever influence whatever we learned from a youngin, you know, young girls that we should have a very easy life and it’s what we make it and but in all honesty this year is really shown all of us. We all are equally sharing this challenge. You know, I mean, it’s something we’ve never experienced in our lifetime. And we all are handling it in varying ways. You know, whether we are numbing ourselves in denial or pretty positive about it. You know, who knows? Who knows how how we’re doing? I have felt the myriad of emotions, I started off pretty positive, thinking that this isn’t really much different than what I’m used to being a stay at home mom. And you know, we didn’t put our kids in preschool or anything. I did homeschool for preschool until they went to kindergarten and my husband still went to work during this whole pandemic. So I felt in the beginning life wasn’t too different. And so therefore, it’s it really wasn’t challenging at that point. But I would say probably about two and a half months in, it hit me. My emotions and my thoughts about it changed. I felt like okay, I’m not liking this anymore. I’m being told like to visit my family I should feel bad about it. Like I shouldn’t go visit my family in the summertime and what’s going on? We can’t go to the pool. We can’t. And it was when all of the things I felt like we’re missing out on hit like it just came to this realization. Oh my gosh, I went from this is pretty typical. Like I’m used to this, too. Now we’re missing out on this. And you know, the weather got warmer summer came and we can’t go swimming. We can’t do this. We can’t go there. We can’t go to the movies. We can’t all the things that we would do. We couldn’t do anymore. And I think that’s when the reality really set in those restrictions and the challenges that came with that and then my mood changed?
Perspective went from feeling optimistic and positive to pessimistic and negative and grumpy. I’m like, this isn’t fun anymore. And so I did, I experienced it all. And then I kind of, I would say, in the last two months, I probably have gone back to feeling more positive. And just accepting, you know, this is what it is, I’m not gonna hold this timeframe, like, it should be over by now. You know, my mind do I think, yeah, it would be nice if this was all done, and we’re all back to normal to whatever that’s gonna look like. But yeah, you know, I’ve at least gone back to, well, we’re strong. You know, we’re strong, we’re healthy. And we’re just we’re getting through it. We’re gonna get through it, you know, we’re gonna make the most of right, really crazy situation. So I did I kind of just made this full circle from being positive to negative to the positive again. So who asked me next month? And let’s see where I end it.

Claudine
Yeah, well, I believe with all that we’re talking about today, and the tools and tips we’re going to share, you’re going to be just fine. It’s funny when this all started, I remember saying someone Oh, well, this will last about two weeks, which should be over in about two weeks. And now what are we nine months later?

Ashley
It felt like a year to be honest, it feels like a full year almost.

Claudine
I know. But it’s getting there nine over nine months as far as restrictions and quarantines and mass squaring and all that. And, you know, LA is as bad as it was nine months ago. So


Ashley
That is a full that baby right there.

Claudine
I know right?

Ashley
Think about that.

Claudine
That is it’s a long time. It’s a long time. But I remember in the beginning thinking, Oh, this is just gonna last two weeks, and we went down to LA to shelter in place on our property down there with a few of our children, we thought, well, this will be a good place for a couple weeks, we’ll spend time with them. We ended up being there seven weeks, which was unexpected, we each brought a carry on. And that’s basically what we lived out of. And then we went back up to Sacramento just to pack up our rental that we had up there and then go back down to LA while we’re in the process of selling our house. And so for us not only did COVID hit, but we’ve basically been living out of a suitcase since March. Now at this point, we’re back in the main house on our property. So we’re starting to acquire things like kitchen tools. My my son was cooking dinner when I was like we have no tools. We have no tools in here. And so we’ve started to keep playing a few tools. I know where the kitchen tools, where’s the rolling pin, we have no rolling pin. Anyway, we started to accumulate a few things as we’ve been living in the main house now for quite a few months. But that has also been difficult for me honestly, part of the difficulty has been adjusting to that change that technically we’re living out of our suitcases. And what we thought would be a few months has now turned into, I don’t know, six months or so. And the sale has taken longer than we thought. And luckily, that’s rounding a corner. But you know, how well did I adjust? And I think it was a shock that it was going to go on this long, you know, and it’s so why is it important to be resilient because it’s the capacity respond to the pressures that we’re all going to face on life and the tragedies and it’s been very tragic. Not only we had COVID and a pandemic, we’ve had Black Lives Matters. We’ve had all that racial tensions, we’ve had an election that was you know, certainly volatile and certainly polarized. You know, people are on one side or the other. There’s not this happy middle. So it’s been a year of incredible pressure, a lot of pressure. And how quickly we respond to that is is how resilient we are. And it’s been challenging.

Well, we now know from the latest – brain, as you and I talked about is just wired to survive to keep us safe. So whenever there’s change or misfortune, like our primitive brain is like, got to keep us safe got to survive. The problem is our prefrontal cortex starts thinking, and judging and making assessments and then we start thinking, Oh, this is bad, right? And so then we start thinking, I can’t do this, right? How many times have you ever found yourself in a difficult situation? thinking I can’t do this anymore. I know, as a young mom, I thought that a lot like, I can’t do this another day. I just cannot Right? But of course I could. But my thoughts start getting me in trouble. And so a lot of it too, is just our learned patterns of response to you know, what’s going on. Sometimes we just have thought and felt in certain ways for so long that that’s just our natural default response. And so learning how to become more resilient is so important, because, like we both said, there’s going to be storms in life, right? It’s just not a walk in the meadow. Like I thought it would

Ashley
We have to be adaptable.

Claudine
We do, we do have to be adaptable? So I know you were saying that? Did you went from positive to negative to positive again, it really was in our thoughts. And you and I talk a lot about our brains and rewiring our brains. And we know that thinking new thoughts, we can create new neural connections, we can rewire our brains and that expands our capacity to respond to the storms and struggles of our lives. It does expand our resilience. It is like a muscle we can grow our resilience and as difficult as this year is I think a lot of us have naturally grown this resilient muscle and a lot of us if you haven’t, it’s not too late. You still can

Ashley
Right and it’s very much a learned skill. You know, it’s something that you can learn and grow in and get better at and like you You said I felt this whole gamut of emotions throughout these nine months full term Baby, I’m going to start calling that pandemic as a full term baby. That I, it was my thoughts. It was how I was looking at the situation. Yeah, right. Not necessarily how was I feeling about the situation? Because that’s still a product of what’s going on in my head. So what am I thinking about? What am I thinking about this situation, we really have to pay attention to that. Because we don’t always know we’re not always great at being aware. And self reflecting, I think we just try and go go go and whether that’s busy or not, you know, like, our schedules, what have you, or if it’s just not comfortable. I know some people who they just don’t feel comfortable sitting in silence, sitting by themselves in silence. And just thinking people do not feel comfortable with that. However, it is so important for our well being and for resilience to build resiliency, because we do need to be aware of our thoughts. And we do need to kind of self reflect to be able to grow that muscle, like you said, and overcome this, you know, and not not experienced this whole gamut of emotions. I mean, I say that not like, it’s not okay to experience the negative emotions. I mean, that’s just part of who we are. We all have those emotions, and it’s just part of life. It’s nothing to feel bad about, like, Oh, my gosh, I’ve been feeling so angry. It’s, it’s it is what it is, you know, you’re allowed to feel angry. That’s fine. Do you want to stay there, though? What do you want to do about it? Do you want to stay there? Or? And really, the reason why I was changing is because and I know this stuff, you know, I mean, I know this stuff. I know. Oh, yeah, I just kind of like what I call I fell off the wagon. I say that I fell off the wagon, my thoughts. I let my emotions get the best of me again, because I’m not thinking properly. And it was it was my perspective, the way I was looking at the circumstance. Is what was changing, not the circumstance. The circumstance wasn’t changing, that caused my emotions to go up and down and all over the place. It was how I was looking at the circumstance. Right? And so first, I was positive and oh, well, it’s not really too much different. I’m used to this. And then I got Okay, I’m tired of this. And now we add the factor of school virtual school. Okay, oh, my gosh, this is really challenging. This is hard. You know, that primitive brain is like, this is a threat. This is hard. I don’t know what to do. I’ve never done this before. And how to best help my kids or how, you know, how I felt I was feeling very negative about it. And what was happening is I was expressing my negativity in every conversation I was having. So as people were asking, what How’s it going? Well, I’m sharing with them all my thoughts about it, but then it’s just fueling those emotions, you know, I was verbally expressing the negativity so I was feeling negative about the whole situation, like the emotion I was feeling negative. So it took having to change that again, right? And reframe my thinking into being more positive. And we hear that a lot like the power of positivity, and yes, positivity is great. However, I was a very positive person. And but sometimes I use that as a crutch to kind of that was also my numbing, you know, or my coping, I’ll say, sometimes being positive ended up being my coping because I was not processing how I really felt. So I really want to put a plug in there because we have to be very careful about the positivity like being positive is fantastic. Just make sure you’re not using that to cope with the situation and therefore not processed through how you’re really feeling we really have to be in touch with all of our emotions, how we’re feeling right, okay, I feeling frustrated right now about the situation that’s okay, feel it, feel frustrated for a little bit, and then be like, you know, okay, now I’m ready to get up and let’s move forward. You know.

Claudine
That’s powerful and I think too, you know, we have to be really careful with our positive thinking if we try to tell ourselves a positive thought that we don’t really believe then we have this you know, subconsciously we don’t believe it if I say My life is amazing. But inside I know it’s not amazing. I’m not gonna really believe that I can keep telling myself that all day long. So we have to find truthful thoughts we have to find but so that we can truly believe like yes, this is a difficult situation. But every day I’m getting closer to the life I want to lead so we do just have to be careful with our, our thoughts that we choose thoughts that we can honestly believe I know for me, one of the ones because I totally believe in the Bible and the scriptures, one for me is, is really just meditating on scriptures, they’ve helped me so much become resilient. And one of my favorite ones is, I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength. And so through this difficult year, there have been times I thought, I’ve come to the end of my own power, like, I can’t do this. And other day like, I’m done, I want this over. When you talk about frustration, I’m like, I’m so done. I want to be in the next chapter already. And yet, that’s the scripture I have to go to, that’s the one that I have to meditate that I have to renew my mind on is I can do all things through Christ, who gives me strength, it’s not my strength anymore. It’s his strength that I’ve got to depend on and lean on to get me through this challenging time. So for me, one of the practicals is really relying on scriptures, which I believe are truthful. And even though I may not be there yet, I can keep saying that over and over. And I do believe it, and then it gets my heart there. It gets my emotions, they’re like, you know what, this is going to be okay, I can feel peaceful, I can feel competent, I can feel calm. Because I know that I’m leaning on his strength to get me through and not my own doing. So that’s been huge for me this past year.

Ashley
Yeah, I really have focused more on being positive. But in a proactive way, if that makes sense. A practical way, I guess. Yeah. Is like the virtual school has been the biggest challenge. I was actually talking with a friend yesterday, about like, you know, we’re just catching up, how you doing? How you doing? How are you handling everything? Well, let me tell you, um, the virtual schooling for any other parents out there, it is what it is. It’s not going away right now yet. And it’s really how we approach it is going to also be influential on the kids. And that’s kind of what I was seeing that I had to be careful of that helped me change my perspective, because I’m like, okay, as much as I thought that I’m not influencing my views on it to the children, I think in conversations, they may be hearing, you know, visiting with family or talking with other people that they kind of are picking up pieces that it’s been negative for mom. So then they might start thinking of it as negative. And that was eye opening for me, because I don’t want them to have that experience. That’s not what I wanting to teach them. I’m wanting to teach my children resiliency, I need to be modeling it, you know, for my children, so that way, they could become resilient adults, when they face challenges. And the virtual thing was very challenging for me. And it’s hard, but doesn’t mean we can’t do it. But how you shared that scripture, I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I mean, even the first two words, I can, you know, I mean, we could stop right there. I can. And what’s happening is we kind of focus on I can’t too much, I’m tired of this, I can’t do this anymore. I’m done with it. This needs to be over. And when we focus our attention on that, those negative thoughts and we cycle cycle cycle through those negative thoughts and our our conversations are filled with those thoughts or those words, you know, we’re just feeling that negativity. And that’s how we’re going to be living and that’s how we’re going to be getting through this. There’s just very negative big when is it over? And yeah, we all feel that to an extent. I mean, I’m not saying completely deny that like, Oh, this is great what I’m learning and growing and nothing like that, but still be moving forward. You know, let’s keep were tough. Like this is a tough situation, but we’re tough too. We can do it. So that all goes into one of my first practicals that I want to share is just the thought awareness, being aware of our thoughts, self reflect, kind of gain an understanding of how you’re feeling what you’re thinking about the situation, I, you know, ask yourself, did I really actually ask myself how I’m feeling about this, and what’s going through my mind about this? I mean, anything through this year, really, it doesn’t have to just be the pandemic. And ask yourself what your conversations have been filled with. And even I think it’s important to to ask your if you have kids, if you have a roommate, if you have a spouse, ask how they’re feeling about it, what they’ve done, what their takeaway is about this whole year, you know, what they’ve been thinking about, and just really gain some understanding for yourself. It’s really crucial. I mean, we can’t move forward, we can’t gain resiliency without awareness. And it’s so important to go to our thoughts. What are we crying about during this situation? Because we’re all dealing with it differently. There’s not one common thought about this year, you know, that we like all share. I mean, there’s definitely similarities, but we all have different views about this year. And so that’s why it’s not conditional based on the circumstance is conditional based on you, you know, and what is going through your head. It depends on how what you’re experiencing.


Claudine
Yeah, absolutely. And another practical is really, like you already mentioned, but really feeling the emotions. I think so many times we want to stop it, we think, well, if I’m a faithful Christian, I shouldn’t feel doubt. I shouldn’t feel fear. I shouldn’t feel sad, you know, I should have faith in all these things, and rejoice all the time, right. But the truth is, this has been a really hard time, there’s been a lot of change. There’s been a lot of tragedy this year. I mean, a lot. It’s been in the news, a lot. A lot of trials, a lot of challenges. And so it’s okay to feel things. And like you said earlier, it’s one thing to feel it’s another thing to be stuck there. Like it’s okay to feel frustrated. It’s okay to feel angry, it’s okay to feel sad. We just don’t want to stay there. We don’t want to get stuck there. But when we resist or repress or resist, then it continues. And so it’s really allowing and learning. I mean, for me, I had to learn how to feel my feelings, how to disallow like, I feel really sad. And guess what, that’s okay. It’s not a reflection of who I am. And it’s not who I am. It’s just a feeling that’s passing through me, right? It’s just a vibration in my body. It’s just energy, you know, higher or lower, or more expansive, or more restrictive energy going through my body. And it’s okay to feel it. It’s part of the human experience. God has given us this whole range of emotions, for our life on within our life, and it’s okay to feel like it’s what we do with it. That’s right finds us you know, do I just stay sad? Do I stay depressed like I did for years? Or did I figure it out, get sick and tired of feeling sick and tired and move on and figure it out? Which you know, you and I both did. So really feeling the emotions I know several times I’ve just felt really sad and you know, when I tell myself I’m feeling really sad. Guess what, it’s okay. Today, I’m sad, tomorrow’s gonna be a new day. I’m not gonna be sad tomorrow. And the cool thing is putting this into practice, my emotions have dissolved so much quicker. They come and they go just like Wayne. And they go, I just ride the wave. I don’t try to stop the way. You know, I like being in the ocean. We’ve been watching the waves here the last few weeks good luck being in the ocean trying to stop a wave. If you can, not right, exactly. Put your hand up and say stop wave. I mean, Jesus could do that. But we are not him. So we can’t stop the waves. But we can ride the waves and same with our emotions, we may not be able to stop them when they come, but we can ride them and we can allow them to come in and out and through us. That has been really helpful for me.

Ashley
Yeah, if I can interject and say something as well that you hit something that really resonated with me about being stuck in our emotions. And I really believe with anxiety and depression, those are examples of being stuck in our emotions. And I say that because I lived it. You know, I mean, our anxiety is being stuck in worry and fear. And depression is being stuck in fear of being stuck in shame. You know, really how I view myself. And with this year, we can really be hardcore worriers and hardcore, self condemning, you know, just judging ourselves too harshly, you know, like, not doing a good job, not being good enough mom, wife, you know, just being Yeah, whatever it right for you. But that is, those are examples that I have lived personally, that was me being stuck in those emotions, because I didn’t know how to work through what I was feeling. You know, I didn’t have the resilience.


Claudine
Yeah, yeah. And the other thing that has been a practical for me is be flexible, be flexible. And I think about there’s a parable or story. And I’m gonna butcher it a little bit. But hopefully, you’ll get the point there’s an oak tree is strong and mighty. And it’s very rigid. And a bamboo is not as rigid and very flexible. When the storm comes, it’s the oak that can break, you know, the branches can break, but a bamboo will bend with it. And I think about my own life, the amount of flexibility I’ve had to have this year, it’s just something new for me really growing in being flexible with where I live with the amount of things I have around me to live with the amount of we’ve done a lot of traveling, which we love, but that didn’t. You know, that seems a lot of change. I mean, there was a point when we were on a road trip, I think we slept in like seven different beds, and two and a half weeks. And the older I get, the more I really appreciate stability and sameness. Yet this year has been one where I’ve needed to really grow in flexibility. And that’s part of being resilient is not getting stuck in how we think things should be right like being flexible with the outcome. And that’s what I’ve been telling myself, these last few months, I’m not going to get attached to the outcome, like I’m not going to get emotionally attached to the outcome, especially with our house. I’m like I had a deadline in my brain when things should have happened. And that deadline came and went. So then I was like, Okay, so I’m not going to get attached to that outcome, I’m not going to have an emotional feeling because the outcome didn’t turn out my way. I’m just going to be flexible here and ultimately, really trust God, right, have faith that his timing is better than mine, but have that flexibility really. And that’s part of being resilient, really being resilient to the change to the the trouble. The challenges that have been part of this year. It’s like wow, this year, you know, you and I sat last January and made goals for the year and we had all these plans and we had workshops planned and we did one and then the pandemic hit and everything went out the window we had to regroup and renew. So yeah, so for me, really it’s been believing a true thought. You know that God is with me that I can do this through his strength. It’s allowing myself to feel the emotions and understand that they’re going to pass. It’s just like riding a wave. They’re not here to stay. And I think sometimes in the past, I was fearful about feeling sad or fearful or scared or anxious because I thought I’ll never go away, right. But the truth of it is, when we allow those emotions, they do pass and they pass rather quickly. And the third one was just being flexible, not getting attached, not having an emotional attachment to the outcome, or really wanting things to go my way. Really, it’s being surrendered. Ultimately, that’s what flexibility is being surrendered. But those three have really helped me come through this year really able to still rise up and shine, right? It’s been a super difficult year, a lot of things have been blown out of the water. But yet, we both can still rise up and shine here, and encourage others to rise up and shine through resilience.

Ashley
Mm hmm. Yeah, and I’ll share a couple more for myself is accepting the circumstances, you know, as just part of life, it accepting it, this is what it is right now. And not wishing for something different. And that’s where I started going down that negative spiral again, because I was wishing for something different. I was wishing that school was different as I then when more districts were starting to go back to school, or they had less hours or whatever, just the differences from our situation. I was focusing on those. And I was wishing ours, our situation was different. And so therefore it created those negative feelings. Yeah. And irritated. And then it wasn’t helping anybody. You know, I wasn’t feeling good. It wasn’t helping my kids. It wasn’t helping. I was exhausted all the time. My husband and I started bickering more because I was so stressed out and it just, you know, I mean, it’s like a ripple effect. You know, there’s one situation I take on negative with a negative mindset, and then it affects other relationships or other situations. And it’s just you know, it everything affects everything else. That’s right. Oh, accepting, like, Hey, this is what it is right now. Let’s make the most of it. Let’s do the best we can and have that self compassion to you know, that we’re doing the best we can. This is so unique for all of us. And let’s just get through it, you know, get through it. Our health and with that resiliency intact, right for the next storm, because there will be a next storm. And yes, those what is to come.

Claudine
Well, this was like a level category five hurricane right this year. So hopefully the next storms will be like, you know, drizzle. Light.

Ashley
Yeah, for 2021 right?

Claudine
Right. There’s not any more category five typhoon, Hurricane tides. Cause we’ve seen a big one.

Ashley
Another one is challenging yourself. Now that could look different for everybody. It could be a goal that you wanted to accomplish that you didn’t you know that this totally derailed you this year, maybe wanting to get back on that track. It can be just having small victories throughout your day. You know, let’s say we’re going to have a fun school experience today. I tried to think let’s write let’s just make it fun today. Okay, let’s just relax, just have a good time with it. Um, it could look different. And I also started running again, exercising, like, there are certain things that I know I need to be doing that I just felt like, Oh, my gosh, I have no time to do this anymore. And added factor. We got a puppy recently. And so it’s like, oh, wow, now I have a third child. What did I do? So challenging yourself and allowing for victories because I think with this situation this year, many of us might not be feeling very victorious. And so are we might not be feeling very good about ourselves. Like, gosh, this is such a bummer a year. This is I mean, this is really hard. And we could be feeling really negative about that. So having something that you want to challenge yourself to do. Challenge yourself to be more positive, challenge yourself to become more self aware, like whatever it is, just challenge yourself. And the last thing is not to get stuck on the past. Right, this bill passed. We all right. Don’t think it’s going to last forever. I mean, it feels like forever, because it’s been, again, a full term baby. Yeah. I’m never gonna get tired of it.


Claudine
Feel feels like forever.

Ashley
It does. But we will. We will be on the other end of this. You know, there’s hope there are good things happening right now. We see the light at the end of the tunnel, and just not being stuck in the past and be like, Oh, my gosh, that year, you know, just really take this year and just think, what are things that I learned? What were some positives about it? What good things did come from it? You know, maybe it’s not a surplus of toilet paper, and that’s okay. Maybe it was we had more family game nights. I mean, during this pandemic, my daughter said, I love our dinners, and we asked her why she’s like, because we play games and we laugh and have fun while we eat dinner. So she had a great experience right? And it was just about luck. And so we tried to make the most of it, you know, even though we couldn’t really go out and do the normal things we like to do. We still tried to make the most of it. Have fun within our four walls.

Claudine
Yeah well I’m really glad we got to talk about resilience today. I mean I think after 2020 there was no more interesting and applicable topic than resilience. And I know that everyone out there you guys you have got this, wherever you’re at right now, you’ve got this. You are doing it and you are rising up and you are shining. And if you need more help drop us a line. So I will leave you with this quote from Helen Keller, all the world is full of suffering, it is also full of overcoming and that’s what resilience does it helps us become overcomers and we are all doing that. Until next time have a great New Year and welcome 2021.

Ashley
Friends thank you so much for tuning in with us today. We hope this episode has brought you one step closer to living the life you love. Until next time, remember the world needs who you were made to be.