What If Jesus Was Never Born?

Episode #56

The hustle and bustle of the holidays can take our minds off of the real reason for the season. Jesus! In today’s episode, as Christian women first, we share our own personal stories about what Jesus means to us and a bit about the abundant life he came here to give us all. From Claudine and I, we wish you all a very Merry Christmas!


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Ashley
You’re listening to the rise up and shine podcast with Claudine and Ashley. As an empty nester and a mom with young kids, we have both shared very similar and very real struggles. From chaos to coaches, we now help other women live an authentic and meaningful life. So tune in weekly for girl talk and tips on how you too can rise up and let your light shine bright. This is the rise up and shine podcast.
Welcome back, everyone. Oh my goodness, two more days until Christmas. I don’t know about you. But I know from speaking for myself, my brain is a little fried. But I’m looking forward to it, of course. Well, today we’re welcoming you back. And we have a very special episode today that we want to focus on because it really is this person is the reason for the season. Right? Jesus. He is very near and dear to both Claudine and my heart has just made such a big impact in our life. And we are Christian women. We are Christian women. We’re wise, we’re moms. And we wanted to dive into our own lives a little bit more to share our own testimonies with you because really, Jesus is the reason why we are here as well. You know why we are celebrating this season? And why we are here on this podcast talking to you guys. And we just feel like we want to share our personal journeys, how Jesus has really impacted our lives and inspire you as well and encourage you during this season. So first off, Claudine, where are you? I think it’s important to share with our listeners because you are Little Miss trouble.

Claudine
I know. I’m like Where’s Waldo. We’re gonna start Where’s Claudine. Today I’m in my last day in the beautiful city of Mazatlan. Bye bye. But by the time this is published, I will be back in Southern California for a few days celebrating Christmas with our children and then heading back up to Northern California. So this week, we’ll be in three different places but right this very moment I am beachside, literally beachfront, I have the door closed with towels under it to try to muffle the sound of the beach waves, which can be very loud. And hopefully we won’t hear any trucks because the back side of our place faces the street. So front side is the ocean backside is a street. So we have all kinds of sounds here.

Ashley
Well, and really Claudine. And that’s like your second or maybe even your third home.

Claudine
It seems like it. Yeah, we visit here often. And we’ve been here three weeks now. So it does feel like home we have our little routine, our little grocery store our little restaurants we like to go to or outdoor gym that we’ve been going to in our walk. So it really is very homelike. And we feel very safe here. As many of you know, Los Angeles is kind of in a crazy place right now with COVID. So we felt honestly safer here beach side than we did there with a little bit more freedom of movement. So.


Ashley
How is out there?

Claudine
it’s good, the weather’s been great. And they take our temperature every time we come into the hotel, any hotel and some shops. So it’s been kind of funny. I’m like, well, we’re getting free wellness checks. Everyday here, we have a temperature that we’ll know real quick. But other than that, it’s it’s great. Everything’s still open and running smoothly. And we’re outdoors most of the time. So there’s a lot of freedom there just because it’s warm, and we can be outdoors where I know different places, it’s rather chilly. So

Ashley
Do they allow dining in? where you are? Is it all they do? Okay,

Claudine
They do. But most of the restaurants that we choose are outdoors, because yeah, you have the ocean so they’re open.

Ashley
It’s such nice weather.

Claudine
We’ve had an average, I think it’s been like between 76 and 80 the entire time. So it’s been really nice.

Ashley
Okay, when I go and edit this, I’m going to cut that out because I’m just a little jealous. Cold here. It’s in the 50s.

Claudine
I know. I know. We’re heading right back into it.

So, I’m so excited that we are doing this today. Because you know, in a day or two here from when this is published, it will be Christmas. And you and I are Christian women first. We’re wives, we’re moms, we’re coaches. But first and foremost, we’re Christian women. And that is the reason for the season. And so I thought what a great opportunity for both of us to get to share. What if Jesus had never been born in our life? I mean, that’s the title of our episode today and how would our lives be different?

Ashley
I’m really excited about this episode. I’m excited to share our own personal journeys because we have touched on it on our podcast, but this is gonna be really great because I think a lot of people will be able to relate to some of the experiences we’ve had. So Claudine, since you are further along in maturity, why don’t you go first and sharing with us.

Claudine
That is the loving way of saying I’m much older than you are.

Ashley
Yeah, I planned that that was strategic.

Claudine
Almost two decades, but that’s okay. Well, for me, first and foremost, I think about my marriage if Jesus hadn’t been born, my marriage would have been that a long, long time ago, when my husband and I became Christians. Our marriage was in a place of dire straits. We were literally on the verge of divorce. We had just hired a bankruptcy attorney. And as soon as we settled, we were going to go see a divorce attorney. And because of God, and the way he worked through people in our life, he brought us to a place where we met people that sat down with us and stayed the Bible helped to see where our lives didn’t match up with the Scripture. And certainly our marriage Didn’t we didn’t have any tools. We were very young, we had two children were very broke. And we didn’t have the knowledge and the principles of the Scriptures to guide our marriage. So it was very based on emotions, which I had no control of my emotions, I felt like my emotions ran my life, they mastered me. My emotions didn’t serve me, they mastered me. And so my marriage was filled with tension and conflict and fits of rage on my part, I was the highly emotional one. And if you know fight or fight, I’m the fighter, and my husband’s the flight her, you’ll run, and I’ll chase screaming, you know, we’re not done talking. So our marriage was in dire straits. And I think about the ability to sit down and learn godly principles about what a marriage should look like. And I had no idea what a godly wife looked like none. I didn’t have that modeled. In my past, I had great parents. And they stayed married their entire time until my mom passed. But I didn’t know the godly principles to apply to my marriage, I didn’t know how to resolve conflict, I didn’t know how to deal with my emotions. I didn’t know what my thoughts should be like about marriage, I just kind of felt like we were married. And he was there to meet all my needs. I mean, that seemed pretty reasonable. For a 25 year old, I was like, he is here to meet all of my needs. And then I will be happy, and clearly wasn’t going well, because two years in, we’re ready to end it all. And he, of course, didn’t know how to handle wife whose emotions were all over the place who was angry most of time and if not angry, then depress. So he was ready to leave as well. And, you know, God’s timing was perfect that he brought people into our lives that were patient with us that were kind with us that helped model these godly principles about what marriage should look like. And were able to teach us and really work with us one on one, to help us learn how to have a marriage that could be beneficial, obviously, to both of us, but really to glorify God. So if Jesus hadn’t been born, the first thing would have been my marriage. The second thing would have been my parenting, I look at them, I look at the relationships I have with my children. We talked about this recently on our parenting episode, but I would have probably destroyed the relationship with my children as well, again, coming from a highly emotional place, not putting principles into practice that were healthy, I think I would have been really controlling, we’ve talked about this a bit, I tend to be on that side, really controlling, and luckily, through scriptures and through just growing in my own faith and learning to trust God and His ways, I was able to let go, you know, kind of untighten the grip with my little fingers around my children’s lives and allowed them, you know, to make some of their own choices and decisions and be okay with that. So I am so grateful if it wasn’t for Jesus, where would I be with my children? And so for me, there’s so many things. I mean, we can talk about our salvation, and we can talk about all those things, but the practicals of life, like what would my life be like without Jesus and I would be divorced for sure, probably multiple times, because I would have had unhealthy patterns that continued if I didn’t learn these godly principles to apply to my own life first, and apply to my marriage in my parenting, I think to something I don’t know that I’ve shared a whole lot. But for sure, in my early 20s, the way I dealt with my emotions, the strong emotions I didn’t know how to process was through drinking, you know, something, that’s what took the edge off. So I would drink to the point where I was numb where I was really drunk because I was numb. And then that’s how I would solve conflict. That’s how I would solve any emotion that I couldn’t handle. I just drank. And so when we became Christians, actually, for quite a long time, we didn’t drink at all at all at all. So I really had to learn how to feel all these feelings which weren’t great at first if you’re not used to feeling pain and discomfort, you know, there’s emotions that are painful and uncomfortable it can be really difficult. And of course, the other thing was learning how to manage my mind. I mean, I had to he knew my thoughts, I really had to apply the scriptures and retrain my brain. I mean, I had been filled with so much incorrect information and incorrect principles about what marriage and parenting and dealing with emotions are, you know, from the world or from TV or from whatever magazine I read, really, I mean, that’s where I got my information, right TV and magazines. And then when I became a Christian, and I started reading my Bible started having my daily quiet time and filling my mind with things from above. And that really helped change me as a person really helped transform me. And again, it didn’t happen overnight, it took a long time. And even as you and I have shared, even after being a Christian, for myself, for about 15-20 years, then I started struggling with depression, again, I’d come to a place where circumstances in my life, I had just hit a wall. And I didn’t know how to go any further, I had the knowledge of the Scriptures now. And I had principles. But now it’s time to dig deep, and learn the practical. And that’s what I spent the next few years learning the practicals from a scientific point, you know, you and I talk a lot about the brain and rewiring our brains and our prefrontal cortex and all the gifts that God’s given us that allows us to live this life to the full. So it’s been a journey, for sure. I mean, I’m marking almost, gosh, it’s gonna be 30 years and January, since my husband, I made a decision that Jesus was Lord of our life. And we said, we’re going to follow him. Come what may, and it hasn’t always been easy. I mean, there’s ups and downs, there’s high mountaintop experiences and low valley experiences. But the constant has been that we decided to follow Jesus, the man that he was going to be our example, he was going to set the standard, my emotions could be all over the place, my thoughts could be all over the place. But I was always going to go back to the word to God’s words, to guide me and to lead me into direct me. So for me, if Jesus hadn’t been born, I’d be a divorced woman probably multiple times over, I would most likely be an alcoholic, because that was my coping mechanism, I would probably have only had two children, because that’s where I was right before I was going to be divorced. So the other two wouldn’t be here, a third, which was by birth, and our relationships would probably be fractured. And I think I’d be a complete mess, honestly. And I don’t say that to be a negative nelly. But I know who I was, I’m very assured of who I was before. And that woman would have continued only digressing, not progressing, whatever the opposite of that’s who I would have been, I would have just continued to spiral downwards. And so for me, it’s a constant reminder, constant point of being grateful that Everything I have is because I met Jesus 30 years ago and decided he was going to be my standard, and he was going to be the one that I was never going to leave who would never leave me. So that’s a little bit of my story, and why I’m so grateful this season.

Ashley
Which is why I asked you to go first, because you have a lot of experience. Look at all that in a nutshell.

Claudine
That Yeah, that is a nutshell. I was gonna say we could spend two hours I can tell you all the highs and lows. But that is it in a nutshell. But when I think about Christmas time, and what we’re really celebrating, it just makes me so grateful, you know, that I have a hope and a future I had that because of Jesus. And without him before that I was so hopeless. I really I was at the point where I wanted my life to end I was done. I was like, I’m not really into this whole life thing. I’m kind of done with it. And once I became a Christian, I had hope for my marriage, I had hope for my children, I had hope for my emotional well being because of him. And again, the Christian walk isn’t just a walk in the meadow, which I had to learn as well. There, there will be trials, there will be challenges. This world is full of problems. Life does hurt. But I know that with faith, we can overcome anything. We’re not alone in this and that’s the thing for me. I’m not alone in this journey. Like no matter what happens. I know I have someone at my side.

Ashley
Absolutely. Oh, yeah. Um, I’ve been thinking about it because as we’ve been preparing for this episode, I’ve been thinking about it for the last week, I guess. Um, two years ago, I guess it was Christmas two years ago, that it was very different. For me personally, meaning the value of Christmas. Why are we celebrating Christmas? had changed because I came out of a very challenging season of my life. And I had just massive transformation in my life. And Christmas comes around. And it’s just it has a whole different meaning to me now. I was thinking as you’re sharing it’s Jesus is the reason for the season. Of course, we always want to remember that. And I was thinking about how it’s not just who, it’s the why, why did Jesus come? And I think that is what changed my perspective. As we approach Christmas. Like I, I really value it so much more because you know, being a mom with still young kids, you can get stuck in the hustle and bustle of the holidays. Right? The presence, the gifts, we have my daughter’s birthday, that it’s like we just finished celebrating almost a week long for her birthday. This morning, you know about like 10:30, 11 o’clock, 11 o’clock it was I’m like, Oh my gosh, now I can focus on Christmas. I remember specifically last Christmas driving in my car. And I was just thinking about Jesus like, the, you know, the reason for the season just listened to the Christmas songs on the radio. And I got really emotional. And I just have such an overwhelming sense of gratitude for Jesus, because of the transformation I had in my life, and really what it was, is the practicals, like you said, the practicals we have applied in our lives, and how even research and science is proving Jesus’s words that much more. And being able to live that out from where I was to where I am now. It just like I said, the meaning for Christmas has just completely transformed. I mean, it’s just that much deeper for me. And so for me, I’ll start off just by saying, you know, I made my commitment to Jesus when I was a teenager. And I feel like if I didn’t, at that time, I would probably, I don’t know, maybe a pregnant teenager divorced now, who knows?

Claudine
You could’ve followed my path.

Ashley
I could have who knows what what happened? I do know that I would not be happy. And when I say happy, I mean, like, inwardly happy, just full of joy and contentment. That’s what I mean, not like, Oh, well, I get to go to the beach because I did I was living in Santa Barbara, that’s where I grew up and be the by the beach, and, you know, maybe have a husband or have kids and because what happened with my life is I did end up getting those things. But I still wasn’t fulfilled and I still was feeling a lot of shame and depression and anxiety and like failure, you know, so I had a lot of. I had the quote unquote, dream life. And I just was really unhappy and I don’t I didn’t know what was going on. And I wanted to share the verse that really opened my eyes because you know, a lot of us who are Christian women, we know the Bible, and but when we go through certain seasons of our life, some of the verses just kind of come alive. It’s like Oh, I get it now or that makes more sense to me now. Okay, so this verse that really came to life so much more for me was john 10:10. Right where the thief comes to steal and destroy, but I have come so they may have life and have it more abundantly. And I like that version. It was like Like I said, I felt like I had the quote unquote dream life right I live in the house. I have a husband two kids, the boy and the girl the dog the cat, you know, the fish. I mean, I have we have our health where, you know, all in all, from the outside looking in, we’ve got a pretty good life, but from my inside, there was something missing. Okay, where is this fulfilled life? I’m not feeling fulfilled. Like why why? What’s going on? You know, we had a lot of challenges in my marriage. You know, we had like, parenting I felt like I was just struggling and failing all the time and not you know, not the mom that I thought I would be like, not not living up to my expectations, you know, with some of those big areas of life. And I was not feeling good. And I just I finally got to a point where I felt tired of it. And like you said, Christ as Christians, it doesn’t mean our life is easy. It doesn’t mean that we’re not going to have bumps in the road and have really difficult challenges. It’s what we do with them, you know, and I did not know what to do through those things. And so and but I’ve read the Bible, I know these verses, why isn’t this clicking? Like, why am I not feeling fulfilled? Why am I not feeling like I have an abundant life, when, from the outside looking in? It looks like I do, you know, from someone else’s perspective. So a few years ago, was just a big turning point for me, because I really learned so many tools that, you know, coincided with the Bible, like I went through counseling, I took a trauma class through Kaiser, which was really great. It was an eight week course. And we just kind of worked through things from our past, you know, and dealt with certain traumas that we had experienced. And I really got a handle on my anxiety and my depression and why I was feeling those things. You know why? And a lot of it like it just, it was so amazing and beautiful and hard work. Right? It’s a lot of hard work to, to learn these things. But it was just really amazing at the transformation. And I was doing those things, and listening to sermon after sermon and all this worship music and reading the Bible like crazy. And those same verses, but now I was getting the practical from it. Because what I did was that I read the Bible. I knew the Bible, but I didn’t know how to apply the Bible, you know, very practical situations in life, right, you know, to how do I speak to my kids? How do I feel about my husband? How do I feel about myself? How you know, I mean, all this stuff that we forget that we have, we have the Bible, we have the the physical, the manual, right in front of us, right? Our manual for life, really, like there’s so much stuff in there, that we can learn to use the practicals for our life. And the reason why I say like, it just, I mean, this transformation was because it was simple. But it wasn’t easy, right? And we mentioned that when we first started this podcast, you know, and why we were here is it’s not hard stuff. No, it’s very simple stuff. But it takes a lot of work, a lot of consistency, and a lot of changing and humility, right. So I finally had gotten to the place where I was feeling that fulfilled life. I was feeling like my life was more abundant. You know, I was feeling at peace, and it’s not the stuff I have. You know, that’s not what fulfills me. It’s, it’s feeling just whole. And it took Jesus that made me feel whole. Because he gave us the words he told us what to do. I just didn’t know practically how to do that. And so that’s why I just really love talking about this episode, because I know there are many women out there who feel those things, especially Christian women, sometimes we don’t talk know, a lot of times, we don’t really talk about the mental health, emotional health aspect, among other Christian folks, you know.

Claudine
Well I think I totally agree. And I think because there’s a lot of misguided notions. I know for me, I felt like if I was sad, or I was unhappy, something was wrong with me something was wrong with my faith walk in. When I was going through my hardest time, about eight years ago, and I’ve shared this I had well meaning women in my life from church, but their ability to help me was minimal. I mean, they knew what scriptures to say, or, you know, they could say, rejoice. I’ll say it again. Rejoice. But you know, when when the circumstances were so difficult, I couldn’t wrap my mind around rejoicing. I could barely get out of bed. Or there were women that said, Well, are you praying about this? I’m like, yeah, every night between two to four when I get awake. I’m praying. Cause God’s the only one listening at that time. Right. And so those comments, while well intentioned, were actually the created more pain and made me feel like there was something wrong with me as a Christian woman that I would feel sadness or I would feel frustration I feel hurt. And, you know, I think about it, like if I’m in the kitchen cutting vegetables, and I slice my finger, just because I’m a Christian doesn’t mean I shouldn’t attend to the wound. And I cut myself quite a bit. I’m pretty clumsy with a knife. But, but life, we have emotional wounds. And for some reason, as Christian women, we think, well, if we’re just faithful, if we’re just dialed in, we shouldn’t hurt, or there’s some sin going on that we hurt. But the truth of it is, life hurts in so for me, I had to search outside of the church to get help as you did as well, right? As I started learning all these practicals for me, because I didn’t know my Bible pretty well at the time, they started matching up. And so now I understood the principles, and the practical. And that’s what you and I, with our workshops, we’ve tried to teach Christian women, we’re guided by scripture, but we teach science based tools to help women make a lasting change. And that was the exciting part for me, because I felt like everywhere I went to get help. There weren’t Christian values, you know, they would give me the practicals. But then I was left like, Why don’t want to do this. Without God. I felt like, I wanted to be in partnership with guy in transforming my life. I didn’t want to do it without him. And yet, when I went inside the church, I was left with people throwing scriptures at me while again, well meaning did nothing to help me transform my life and just left me oftentimes more depressed, you know, going back to bed and going well, that now I can’t even do that. Right? Rarely, something’s wrong with me as a Christian woman, because life is hurting. So I know you and I are both passionate about helping other Christian women really live life to the full and that was a key scripture for me that helped me turn around because I read that scripture about eight years ago, and I’m like, yeah, Jesus came to give us life to the full right now. I’m full of his debt, disease, depression, despair. I was like, it was just horrible. I’m like, I don’t think this is what he meant. Right? Like, I don’t think this is what he came for. And so how am I going to get out of this hole and really glorify God by living my best life. And that’s where I came to, to, like, I need to live my best life. Because it brings glory to God being a, you know, sad state home depressed in a show. woman doesn’t bring any glory to Him. I think of the parable of the talents, right, like hiding it hiding ourselves, or just, you know, not hiding consciously. But when you’re depressed, it’s really hard to be a bright light, right? There’s no shining, coming on, oh, rise up and shine the title of our podcast because we really believe that we can all rise up and shine, and give God the glory. That’s do him by living our best life now. And so I know you and I are both passionate about that.

Ashley
Well. Claudine, wouldn’t you say that probably the, one of the many top scriptures in the Bible was Romans 12:2 be transformed by the renewing of your mind. So we’ve done our own research, we’ve gone through counselling, we’ve watched YouTube videos, Ted Talks, I mean, you name it, like we have researched the tar out of, you know, our lives, how to better ourselves better our lives be happy. And it really is amazing at how I mean, there are things that I read, you know, research, or scientific facts, or, you know, listening to this doctor, or this neurologist or this, you know, life coach, I mean, anything is like, hey, Jesus already said that, Oh, my gosh, this is so amazing. And it’s just, it really blew me away that when we, I mean, we’ve all heard the talk about our mindset, you know, and it really our mindset really matters. And but we don’t always know how, okay, so I know, the scriptures, I know, it will just, you know, have a positive perspective. But we really have to pay attention to each individual circumstance, you know, how do I feel? Or what goes through my mind when I get into an argument with my husband? Or we’re getting into conflict? Often? What goes through my mind? How am I feeling? You know, we don’t typically do that. And part of that is because we were never taught, you know, I mean, really taught to process our emotions. I mean, we’re probably this next generation really has a little bit more of an upper hand because of the internet. And because of the Yes, you know, abundance of information out there. But we weren’t really taught about our emotions. We weren’t taught how to process our emotions. We weren’t taught how to deal with trauma. We weren’t taught, you know, I mean, we just had our parenting episode last weekend, and I said something that may have been a little controversial with some and they may have disagreed that I believe that children are not born resilient. You know, I mean, we I think we say that to make ourselves better or feel better. To be honest, you know, it’s like, well, with kids go through a tough time, though, you know, they get up and keep going. And I know from personal experience, no, it follows you into adulthood. And it affects your life and your new relationships. And you know, your entire well being like, it really does. I mean, we, we have to teach our children to be resilient, which will be our next episode is about resiliency, it will be fantastic, especially after this year. But learning a lot about that stuff and how, like you said it tied to the Scriptures, like, the practical is right there be formed, okay, well, I want to change this about my life, or I want to change in this area. Well, how do we do that? Well, just, you know, transform by the renewing of your mind you what does renew mean? It has you have to change it.

Claudine
Make new.

Ashley
Yeah, make new you have to change the way your, your thinking what’s going through your mind. And a lot of that has to do with the neural pathways in our brain. Right?

Claudine
Absolutely.

Ashley
And to follow the path that we’ve paved, you know, the patterns, like you mentioned, we talk about our patterns, and we tend to just function that way. And but sometimes we feel like we can’t break that cycle, like we can’t stop because well, this is just the way I am. This is just the way I think, or just this is just my personality. And there’s truth to an extent. But there’s a lot of skill that you can learn there. I mean, it really is renewing your mind is possible, like our brain, one of the best gifts God has ever given us is neural plasticity. Like that’s right. It’s just phenomenal.

Claudine
It is, he he has. He’s given us our prefrontal cortex, which can make informed wise higher decisions. And he he’s made our brains neuro plastic. So no matter what age which is really encouraging for me as an older, yes, still able to change, like I can still create new neural pathways that make my life different that transformed my life. And that’s exactly what I started learning quite a few years ago now and been practicing that really changed my life. And I think Paul got it like, Paul shared a lot of the principles that now neuroscientists are finding out and discovering. It’s like you said, it’s in there all along. But now the scientists are figuring it out. And it’s coming out. There’s research and books, and it’s proving what Paul said all along. I mean, I love his scripture to which we’ve talked about whatever is true, whatever is pure, whatever is noble, trustworthy, praiseworthy, think about those things. And I know I just butchered that a little bit, but but you know, the essence of that is so many thoughts that go through our head, are not from the spirit, they’re not from our higher self, they’re really ego or flesh base. That’s the truth. And that’s what gets us into trouble. That’s what creates suffering. And I look at Jesus’s sacrifice in his life, that we could have the very best. And we want that and we know that but you’re right. Sometimes we don’t know how to overcome the patterns that have been established before we even made the decision to become Christians. And for me, for sure, that’s what was going on I there were there was programming and patterning going on in my brain, in my mind, from childhood. And so I was responding in those ways, like a trail on a mountaintop. You know, that trail has been worn out so many times that it’s natural to take that trail but now I need to you know, blaze a new trail here, I couldn’t keep going in the same direction because I was hitting a wall and struggling in ways that I didn’t need to struggle it Jesus came so I could have a better life and a new life. And it is work. Like you said, it’s it’s simple, but it’s not easy. And it is work. But I think knowing the principles, knowing the scriptures and applying the practicals that was what makes all the difference.

Ashley
Oh, so much. So. Yeah, so to kind of piggyback on what you’re saying, Claudine, especially with Paul is, I mean, the beginning of that verse to fix your thoughts. Right. I mean, that takes work that’s a practical so if anyone by the end of this episode is still thinking, well, how but how But how? Fix your thoughts, you know, think about what am I thinking about? This situation happened? Okay, what’s going through your mind? How are you feeling? You know, and a lot of times we recognize our emotions first and then You can kind of go back and be like, Okay, well, what’s the thoughts going through my head, because it really is true. Our thoughts will create our emotions and our emotions will drive our behaviors, our actions. And so if there is something that you want to change, and like, for me, my depression, I really wanted to change that I was sick of it. Like I got to a point where I was I was just, I’m done. I’m sick of feeling this way. Something has to give something has to change. I know there’s an answer out there. I just need to find it. And that’s what I did. I decided to go after like, I need this change. And I don’t think it took a circumstance. No, it was not a circumstance that had to be changed. It was what was going on within me that had to change. That’s right. And a lot of it, most of it, were those patterns, those neural pathways that I paved, the choices I was making, because of the thoughts I was having about myself. So I was reacting to things and not being proactive. And I was, you know, I was not responding in a healthy manner manner. I was just constantly reacting. And that’s what we do, we tend to react based off of our emotions, and we can fall into that trap, we can let our emotions dictate our lives, and right might not think we do. But if you really take a closer look and pay attention to how you’re feeling, how you how your relationships are, how you’re responding and your relationships during conflict. How do you you know, how do you feel when your kids are not obeying? Or how do you feel when your spouse or co worker or you know, you deal with certain conflict? What’s going through your mind, I mean, really start there, that self awareness is going to open up your eyes. And it’s really going to show how much Jesus was right all along. I mean, that’s let’s just face it, like, really?

Claudine
He was right, he is right, he will always be right. I will leave us all with a practical that I think will do wonders for our brains and for our hearts. And if there’s any time of season is now to really think about what your life would be like if Jesus hadn’t been born. So for those of you listening, just spend a few minutes reflecting, really out of gratitude for all the ways your life has changed because of Jesus, because of his words, because of his behavior because of his sacrifice, that there’s so much good that’s come from him, we wouldn’t be where we are today. For those of us whose names are written in the Book of Life, none of us would be here if it wasn’t for him. And to have that heart of gratitude to remember where we come from. It’s so good from my heart. I know and so good for my brain to rethink with gratitude of those things to remember where I come from, what my past was like, and who I could have been if it weren’t for Jesus and who I am because of him. It just is an amazing exercise to do. So we hope that you’ve gotten something out of today. And Ashley and I are so grateful for all of you. And we have free resources at mindoverchaos.com, and claudinesweeney.com so head over there. And if there’s any topics you’d like to, to hear us speak about. Please send us an email or links are on our websites. And we just appreciate you and hope and wish you all a very Merry Christmas. Until next time.

Ashley
And make sure you tune back in for next week’s episode on resiliency. It’ll be a great one coming off of this year. So Merry Christmas, everybody. Catch you next time.
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